put 263 million children into school. >> sounds pretty good to me. >> i think you can do it. >> global citizen festival takes place september 23rd in new york city's central park. it does such great work. go to the website and check it out, see how you can get involved. hugh evans, thank you. >> that's a good note to end on this morning. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> good to see you again, mika. hi, there. i'm stephanie ruhle with a lot to cover today starting with "the washington post" bombshell that the president's lawyers call fake news. how involved was president trump in his son's misleading statement about why he met with a russian lawyer? >> if this is true that the president drafted a lie in connection with criminal investigation, he's got to go. >> is there any further information around anthony trump and the trump administration? now that he's out as communications director, why did you toss the mooch? >> thank you.

>> and money, power, politics. attention turns to tax reform. but will the plan match the promise? >> we're going to be submitting a tax bill in the very near future. >> we're going to begin this morning with the trump administration trying to spin some good news on a wild 24 hours after bringing in a new chief of staff to clean up the white house, president trump tweeted aed inst all of that, think of the day we had yesterday, he tweeted a great day at the white house. then just 90 minutes later, a new bombshell out, trump and russia again. allegations he had his own son deliberately mislead the public about his meeting with a russian lawyer. we have to talk about this for the next hour. i have the best team in the biz to talk all about it. starting with nbc's kristen welker live at the white house. kristen, we need to star first, let's get to the bottom of this "washington post" report. the fact that the president says great day at the white house,

this whole narrative, general kelly is here to clean up shop, tighten up the ship, 90 minutes later this puppy gets dropped. >> reporter: yet another russia headline roiling this administration, steph. let me just give you the top line here. "the washington post" reporting overnight that it was president trump who personally dictated the statement from his eldest son, donald trump jr., about that controversial russian meeting. here's what the post reports. "the president directed that trump jr.'s statement to "the times" describe the meeting as unimportant. he wanted the statement to say that the meeting had been initiated by the russian lawyer and primarily was abher pet issue, the adoption of russian children, in a forward cabin trump was busy working on his son's statement, that being air force one. the president dictated the statement to hicks, who served as a go-between to trump jr. who was not on the plane, sharing edits between the two men, according to people with knowledge of the discussions." of course we learned after the

fact, steph, that's what's going on around the country meeting came with a promise of dirt about hillary clinton and it was being provided pi the russian government, and of course that based on e-mails that donald trump jr. provided. we reached out the president's outside counsel overnight. jay sekulow saying apart from being of no consequence, the characterizations are misinformed, inaccurate and not pert nen. john dowd saying fake news, misinformed, of no consequence. let's point out the bottom line, steph. neither statement flatly denies the basic allegation, which is that it was president trump who drafted that initial statement. that runs counter also to comments that jay sekulow made two weeks ago on "meet the press" in which he outright denied the president ha any involvement drafting the statement. another layer in the russia controversy as they're trying to have a reis the at the white house with the new chief of staff, kelly o'donnejohn kelly

prove there is a new sheriff in town. >> let's share that. jay sekulow two weeks ago speaking to our chuck todd on "meet the press" making that point. >> the president was not -- did not draft the response. the response was -- came from donald trump jr. i'm sure in consultation with his lawyer. the president was not involved in the drafting of the statement. >> kristen, stay with me. i need my panel to weigh in on this. a republican strategist who served as marco rubio's communications director. steven kornacki from msnbc and rick tooiler, an msnbc political analyst and republican strategi strategist. alex, assuming this report is true, president trump's lawyer doesn't look like he clearly lied to chuck todd just a few weeks ago, but what does this say for the white house? then to say today it's been a great day, general chemly is in, we are tight, we are -- there are no leaks, we are keeping it

together, and this happens 90 minutes later. >> for the record, i do think yesterday was a very good day for this white house. the new chief of staff coming in and doing what nobody else has been able to do to date, instill some discipline in the white house. it's still a chain of command at least for now, and fire somebody who was clearly a loose cannon and going to be a problem for the white house moving forward. i do think it was a good day. obviously "the washington post" report was unfortunate from the trump team's perspective, and it's just a reminder that trump's team has been unable to get ahead of the russia story at any point. i think more members of his team, including the president himself, should do what jared kushner did a couple weeks ago, which is to lay out all of the facts, present them to congress, and present them to american people. we vhaven't heard the president speak about the russia scandal in the way kush ksh has, where he laid out all the facts, got ow of the way, and let the investigators do their work. >> does that mean yesterday wasn't a great day for the white

house? the president in all his tweets and comments made no mention of the u.s. diplomats being thrown out-russia. general kelly comes in and ivanka trump tweets, "i look forward to working with him." disregarding the chain of command. and remember, kelly came in following anthony scaramucci practically blowing the place up. is that really where he ood say great day, kids? alex? >> oh, i'm sorry. well, look, it's all relative, right? they've had really tough six months to date. i think in the grand scheme of things yesterday was a very good day for this white house. and, look, we're six months into what is a four-year term. other presidents have had rough starts to their administration. now, it's quite possible that no one's had a start quite as rough as president trump has over the last six month, but yesterday could prove to be a turning point if general kelly is given the ability to continue to bring control and discipline and strategy to this white house that we haven't seen to date.

if president trump continues to listen to him and empower him to do his job, it could be a turning point. it could be. >> rick, of course 90 minutes after being given that post, it had to be white house insiders to dump that treasure. >> the fact that the general nearly quit his job over the firing of comey. right. that came up exactly when he was supposed to. then you had the optics of having him sit in the chair that's bayally resfred for head of state. why didn't the chief of staff stop that? why did he allow the president to set these unatanable expectations for the chief of staff? he wasn't sworn in ten minutes before he was saying he was the world's best chief of staff or was going to be the world's best chief of staff. yesterday, i mean, i guess relative did they have a good day, i don't know how you call it a good day. >> steve, i want to share what lindsey graham said earlier on the "today" show because all eyes in the last week are on

senior leadership within the gop, are they going to start taking the turn. i want to share what he said. >> if that's true, then that was a bad decision by the president, which will make us ask for more questions. when you get caught in a lie about one thing it makes it hard to say let the other stuff go. >> that's lindsey graham talking about the president and his "washington post" report, a republican saying we're going to need to ask more questions, the last thing trump wants. >> right. although lindsey dpragraham, a republican, extremely critical of donald trump as candidate, and -- >> so was every republican. >> there was a difference between what lindsey graham said when he was a candidate and republicans who endorsed him and republicans who stayed quiet. lindsey graham was outspoken in criticizing donald trump as a candidate last year. when we're looking for signs right now of senior republicans turning on trump in public, i think you have to look past lindsey graham and jeff flake. you have to look at the people silent last year redskins they speaking up now.

that would be a key difference. i think what graham is getting at is not so much the response of republicans and e lkted officials to this story and to the possible implications of this story, it's about what is mueller, what is the prosecutor, what is the special counsel looking at this, what is his reaction? if he sees an inconsistency, if he sees a potential for a lie, does he get curious and start asking questions? i think donald trump has to worry more about bob mueller asking questions than lindsey dpram asking questions. >> alex, in addition to talking about donald trump and that "washington post" story, lindsey graham did talk about robert mueller and democrats, not just republican, taking action to fire robert mueller. >> i think republicans have been nearly unanimous in saying that if president trump acted to remove the investigators or acted to remove mueller specifically, it would be devastating for his presidency moving forward. i think it has limited what congress can do in advance of

such action. senator graham is working on some legislation sh but the truth of is matter is the house has resszed for the sum teshgs senate will in the next week or so as well. unlikely we'll see legislative action before labor day, but that doesn't mean that trump has license to do it. republican leaders in congress, republican rank and file, and then just if you look at poll number, the country as a whole, there is no patience for trump firing mueller, and i think that message has been heard at the white house. certainly by his advisers and as the cnn report yesterday indicated with kelly's reaction to comey's firing, i can't imagine the new chief of staff would be okay with the president firing mueller. >> can he do anything about it? rick, when i talk to people inside the white house, they say you can talk to president about a lot of thing, but as soon as it gets near his russia and taxes, there is no speaking to him. that is when he gets in a lane all of his own. general kelly, he's opinion head

of homeland security for the last six months. the travel ban happened on his watch. can he rein in the president on things social securitied with russia? we know russia ain't going anywhere. >> you can argue general chemly was the victim of the travel ban, how poorly executed it was and poorly written. and he had to deal with all the fallout from that. look, if you were to say is general kelly a good move for the white house chief of staff position, absolutely. does he know how to instill discipline? i think so. the family is still is in the way. and if the family said, look, general, you realize you'll be chief of staff, we'll let you know when you talk to some things that aren't government business and let you know about other thing, keep you informed, that could work, but i don't think it will. ivanka trump and jared have shown remarkably poor judgment. i don't think they have anything demonstrable to show how they are an as tote the president. in fact, i think they've been a liability and it's probably time

for them to go. >> but they're not going to go. steven kornacki, this is president's daughter and son-in-law. the one person president trump has never spoken ill of is his daughter, ivanka trump, who i mentioned earlier said i look forward to serving alongside general kelly. people inside the white house have told me ivanka trump has never shown up to a morning meeting to date. is suddenly general kelly going to be able to tighten everybody's game in there? and steve bannon is still in the house. he didn't get fired along with reince. >> that's the big wild card in all this, and i think it's not anything the public can see, but the demonstrable thing i guess that jared and vaugivanka have offer is donald trump knows them and trusts them and trust in their instincts that he doesn't have in anyone else. >> where have their instincts prove on the serve this country? >> trump built something in the years before he ever came into politics or as president, a

style, a circle of trust, a distrust of people outside that's what's going on around the country you've seen carry to the white house. the interesting thing with capitol hill is yesterday he was able to impose on discipline everybody not named jared and ivanka, in the president's family part of this administration, but when those things come into conflict and at some point they will and maybe that's some point soon, can you picture this president saying i'm going to side with my chief of staff here, defer to my chief of staff or will he fall back on -- i think the only thing he's ever known, which is trusting that small circle, that "family circle"? it's tough to see, but that is the challenge that kelly faces here. the only thing comparable i can think of is modern political history, think of bill clinton's chief of staff when he made hillary clinton the head of his health care task force. was bill clinton's chief of staff going the overrule hillary clinton? republicans back then had a problem with that. not hearing so much on this one. >> it is tough to swallow when you say the president respects ivanka and jared's instincts. for a woman in business for the last 20 year, ivanka trump's

message about her commitment to the women and girls is a great message. but her instincts and her actions don't reflect that in any way. two thursdays ago it was ivanka and donald trump who brought anthony scaramucci into the white house, met with him privately, without reince priebus in the room, for an hour and a half. white house lawyers were not brought in to consult how finalized anthony scaramucci's deal was selling sky bridge to hna. last week, white house lawyers were spinning. and now the white house is spinning the story that it was ivanka and jared who were so offended by the word choices of anthony scaramucci, yet ivanka has been silent when president trump spoke ill of mika brzezinski and the "access hollywood" tape and so on. >> i think this is a big part of the story in terms of -- because you're citing specific cases in term offense strategy, and why trust strategy. it's deeper, more human, almost primal. it has to do with loyalty. you mentioned the "access

hollywood" tape. this is something donald trump carries with him, even his inner circumstance until the white house. reince priebus, chief of staff, when that tape broke during the campaign last year, reince priebus told him to leave the race. i think donald trump believes even within his inner circle, the people that were there during the campaign, the people who have been there during the presidency, the people who are not part of his family, even they would sell him out. i think that's what he thinks. even they would sell him out in a moment like that and the only people who weren't ready to d that, this is how he think, were his daugtder, his son-in-law and the family, and i think that looms large in every moment. why does he lean on them and trust them, defer to them? not because he thinks the strategy works. it's because they think they believe in him in a way nobody else around him does. >> we have to it there. i guess i would say if you sat down with extraordinary leaders through history, they would not say that blind loyalty was the secret to their success. >> i'm not making the argument. i'm just trying to explain why i think it happens. that's all. >> all right. then you make that point. i would say it's differing views

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he does not have a role at this time in the trump administration, and we put out a statement earlier announcing that and i don't have much else to add. >> that of course is white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders announcing her boss is ow of a job. and we have brand-new details this morning about anthony scaramucci, how he was forced out as white house communications director, technically before he even started, ten days after it was announced. i want to bring in my friend and special correspondent from "vanity fair," bill cohan, and the author of "why wall street matters." you know and i know mr. scaramucci. we were both in touch with him over the weekend. he had no idea this was going to happen. >> no, in fact, stephanie, he was looking forward to this week to making it right as he e-ma e-mailed me over the weekend and justifiably so. he had a very bad week, a lo of

self-inflicted wound. eve bin trumpian standards self-inflicted wound, a lot of schadenfreude around anthony scaramucci. he was looking forward to making this a ber week but he hit up against john kelly. >> did anthony scaramucci, though, serve as the hit man on behalf of the globalists in the white house who wanted bannon and reince priebus out? they thought they were going to get bannon out, too, but they just got reince priebus. did anthony scaramucci serve as the hit man who went in, did the dirty work, and then they turn around and said thanks very much, kick t? >> stephanie, that may turn out well to be his short-lived legacy. he only had ten days but from the perspective of trying to get rid of the globalist, reince priebus, sean spicer, almost steve bannon, he got two out of the three pretty quickly and if he had more time he would have gotten steve bannon too, because you though v know that was on his quote/unquote hit list.

i think self-inflicted wound with ryan lizza was too much, too brash, a supernova, burning too bright, too quickly. it was a little sad because i think he could have accomplished a lot and it would have been colorful and very entertaining but such is life. even by trumpian standards, couldn't handle it. >> stay on that because you wrote anthony had his shot, he plu it, he probably knows it, no doubt feeling hue mill yachted. probably few people who even feel slightest by sorry for him, but i happen to be one of them. why do you say that? >> well, because, stephanie, i know him, you know, not my close e friend, obviously, but i've nonhim over the year, i know how hard he worked to get this spot. i know how persistent he was. you do too. others do too. you know, persistence is a quality that a lot of people can admire. he was shut down several times from being the white house liaison, then he went over to

exim, waiting for the oecd ambassadorship. wait, pining, got his champ and burned too hot too quickly. you know, he had his personal issues that have been revealed. i think it's very sad, i think he probably had a lot to offer. he would have accomplished a lot and it would have been very entertaining. i think he could have been the kind of person that donald trump would have invested a lot of authority in to get things done, to d who what he wanted but he intonooichs, which he was aware of. >> i give ho credit to the argument out there the president felt like anthony was getting too much attention and becoming too famous. mr. scaramucci's narrative throughout was i'm doing this to serve the president, i'm doing this to serve the president. it one about anthony scaramucci getting too much press. it was about the really big screw-up with the new yorker article as well as him still being conflicted as in not selling his company yet.

>> right. the big underlying story here is his company and selling it to hna and needing government approval to d that, government body that decides on foreign investments in the united states companies headed up by steve mnuchin, who obviously works for president donald trump. there's an underlying theme of what anthony is going to do now, how is he going to get this company sold, because that's going to mean $90 million to him that he then can save taxes on on a tax-deferred pay sis. that's what he's focusing on now. and whether he lays low or goes to the exim bank or something else while he lays low notwithstanding, what miss sanders said, i think that's his focus now. he may have fallen on his sword with assurance he could get that deal approved. >> corey lewandowski said this morning trump will try to find a place in the administration for mr. scaramucci. yes? no? >> yes, but i may be naive.

>> you are many things but naive ain't one of them. thank you so much. next, the conscience of a conservative. republican senator jeff flake turns on his own party in a scathing book saving his harshest words for donald trump.

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welcome back. time for your "morning primer," everything you need to know to start your day. federal health officials urging president trump to declare a state of emergency over the country's opioid epidemic. a startling new report. listen to this, found about 142 americans die of overdoses every single day. a death toll equal to the september 11th attacks every three weeks. former arizona sheriff joe arpaio has been found guilty of criminal attempt. prosecutors say he ignored a court order to stop traffic patrols that targeted immigrants. he faces up to six months in jail. several counties are under united states of emergency this morning as tropical depression emily brings another day of heavy rain to the southern coast. the eye moves over the atlantic today where forecasters expect

it to be in strength. and the 2028 summer plaimol games are head to hollywood. that is right, they're going to l.a. the city reached a deal with the international olympic committee monday. hbo is the latest target of a hollywood hack. they claim to have leaked a script from an upcoming episode of "game of thrones" as well as episodes of "ballers," "insecure, "and "room 104." back to d.c., one conservative senator is taking remarkable stand against president trump in a new book out today. republican senator jeff flake's book titled "conscience of a conservative" comes just one day after an excerpt of that book appeared in politico under the title "my party is in denial about donald trump." he repooted his criticism earlier today on "morning joe." >> conservative can't be to embrace conspiracy theories or to talk about alternative facts. there are truths that are

self-evident. >> neebs hundr >> nbc's kasie hunt is on capitol hill. i found my august read. what is d.c.'s reaction to this book if. >> reporter: well, steph, i think that this is the first time, one of the first times we of seen a republican come out with this kind of a sustained critique of president trump in the course-his first six months or so in office. we have seen flare-ups of republicans, you know, pushing bab against him, ben sasse of nebraska is another republican who has pushed back against the president. but this is in many ways a very remarkable stand independence him. now, jeff flake's own personal political history is a little comply catted, and he is one of the few republicans who's up for reelection and needs midterms who is at risk of losing his seat. he's face pressure from both sides. arizona is obviously a place where the president has been very popular, where he did that

initial rally that drew tens of thousands of people that surprised to a certain extent his campaign and the rest of us. so that's the energy najef flake is going to be confronting and there's been some signs that the trump administration might be willing to primary him over this. on the flip side, you have democrats who are being critical of flake for essentially being all talk and no action. they say, look, he needs to actually vote against the health care bill if this is how he fools, or do things in congress to pose president trump. but my sense from being up here every day and from reporting on, you know, i feel like every day we're asking these republicans a new question about whether or not they approve of the trump administration, and as flake points out in his politico op-ed, oftentimes they simply say i don't have time to keep up with the president's tweets. that's how they kind of push past the question. house speaker paul ryan does this freakily in his news conferences. flake called that out specifically in this op-ed and said that amounts to a dodge that yonamines that our party is in denial. i think one piece of this --

he's also being very critical of the way republican leaders in congress are approaching or have approached the president. so i think we're going to keep asking the question who's afraid of donald trump, not jeff flake, it seem, and we'll see if there's more pressure for other republicans to get added to that list. >> thank you to jeff flake. louise doesn't use a computer and even she keeps up with trump's tweets. the white house turns its attention to tax reform. will the plan live up to the major hype? this is the businessman, president. before we go, moments ago the opening bell rang. president trump you know has been tweeting for a while but specifically this morning on the strength of the markets, writing stock market could hit an all-time high again, 22,000 today. was only 18,000 six months ago on election day. mainstream media seldom mentions! well, mr. trump, i'd like the tell you, i mention it every

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timetable. >> we're going to come out with a bill through the writing committees that the fundamental principles have agreed to and that's critical to getting it done this year, and it's going to get done this year. >> tim phillips, the president of americans for prosperity, the political arm of the conservative koch brothers network and one of the hosts for the event with secretary mnuchin along with cnbc's co-host of "squawk box," andrew ross sorkin. andrew, steven manuchin thinks this will fly through congress. i think baloney. you say? >> i say we of heard that story before. i think you'll gt some kind of tax reform, and i do think that steve mnuchin and gary cohn are more competent than the last group who tried to do health care, so you have a better chance. but if you really look at where the fault lines are even within the gop, it's going to get complicated very quickly. >> it's no surprise democrats are saying this isn't tax

reform, it's a tax break for the rich. i want to share what was said yesterday. >> a lot-new senators want tax reform, but if i read this right, what president trump and the republicans in the senate are going to do is just cut tax for rich people and call it tax reform and blow a whole in the budget that my grandsons clayton and leo and milo will have to pay for in 20 and 30 and 50 years. >> of course that's what we're going to hear from -- >> the same old class warfare. it is nice to hear the senator on the democrat side suddenly concerned about the budget. that's shocking interesting thought as well. >> but take them out. how d you view this plan, as much as we of soon it, which has been one page, 200 words? >> double the standard deduction for couples to $240,000. that's not rich folks. lit lower rates to 10, 25ers and 30% on the personal side from the seven current brackets we

have. makes it simpler for folk, lowers rates, it's important to d, and i think republicans know after the health care disaster, it was a debacle for them, the stakes are higher. they have to get this done. >> is it not an overstatement that simplifying the tax code is going to unleash economic growth? that could be a goal but to say it's simply going to unleash it, come on now? >> it will lower rates and simplify the code certainly makes life a lot easier for average americans. they don't have lob piists and lawyers taking care of them. tights folks at the middle and bottom being hurt the most by the current tax code. >> the current tax code is hurting the poorest people in america? explain that. >> it doesn't hurt them. absolutely. if you're a small business -- >> they're not paying any. >> if you're a small business owner especially, this code is far too complex for you. i'll sure you've been a small business owner. you know what it's like. i did that. i dealt with the code on a daily basis. you know what i'm talking about. >> i know what you're talking about. having said that, you're talking

about -- then we're talk about the korp rate and what that should be. the real question, and i feel like demagogue either side, is what's our costs? and how do we get there? that's the full question. >> the cost? >> and what i'm worried about is we're going to d a lot of voodoo, a lot of magic, wave the magic wand and lower tax, we're going to pretend all is going to equal what we're spending, and ten years from now we'll all be holding the bag. >> hold on a second. is there still a job function for tax lawyers, then the poor aren't benefiting. it's when there is a completely simplified flat tax. but as long as there can be tax maneuvering the rich will benefit. >> the more you can simplify this code and get rid of the carveouts and deduction, and they're in there by the hundreds and hundreds and you know that. >> i agree. >> they should be pushed out. it also will increase confidence in the code when you do that. the other thing about the tax code, you mentioned the cost of it, the last time they did this was 1986.

i was a young guy way back then. sustained economic xroet was dramatic and it was traum across every single income bracket. >> we were in a different economic cycle. >> come on. >> the economy looked completely different in 1986 than it does today. >> in twup and 2003, look at the bush tax cuts. it one reform but tax cuts. revenues to the government exploded upward. >> everybody wants lower taxes. i don't know anybody who doesn't. the question is how do you pay for it and are you willing and is the gop willing across the board, whether you're all the way on the right or somewhere in the middle, whether you're willing to take on debt to do it, because the math does not add. >> the math absolutely will add up. the economy will grow. it always does. >> by the way, nibble the scoring to some degree. the question is how die nam rick we talking about. >> all i know -- >> this sort of make believe dynamic and real dynamic. >> in 2001 and 2003, the same argue pts were said and revenues

to the government exploded after bush cuts in '01 and '03. that was straight cuts. the last reform was '86. say the economy was different, what about 2001 and 2003? it happened again. revenues go up. there's reason new york state, where we're sitting right now is on fox news and msnbc and cnn touting tax cuts. tax cuts stimulate activity, economic activity. >> what do you think happened to kentucky? >> in kentucky, what are you talking snakt. >> kansas. >> i'm sorry. kst can. geez louise. thank you so much. >> kansas. - >> kansas. thank you. >> i happily embarrass myself but it's a good example. thank you. thank you. >> should .asking questions. >> i know. i know. >> kansas. >> they dramatically increased spending at the same time that they were cutting taxes and revenues are up in kansas. they've just dramatically expanded, especially on k-12 education because it's court ordered in kansas, i'm sure you're familiar, court-ordered the additional spending in kst can beyond eve whan the

legislature spends. revenues are up for the government in kansas after the cuts. walk me through corporate tax reform because this beautiful argument is made if corporations in the u.s. could pay less taxes man, would they be hiring. i watched someone like. ibm go on television and talk about the pain they have to pay in taxes. company like ibm isn't paying anything because they have deduction after deduction after deduction. so to say that u.s. corporations are paying 29%, 30%, that's simply not true. let's gt rid of the deu, get rid of all of them and make the rate matter. let's get rid of the deductions. energy companies across the board, including oil and natural gas, get rid of them, have an honest rate that is as low as possible with all these carveouts and deductions gone, stepny. that's the answer. it will increase confidence because americans will look at i and go the rate is the rate, if you've got good lobbyist and good lawyers, you don't get special treatment, let's get the rates and get rid of these kafbouts. we're agreeing on that. get rid of the deductions for ibm bum and every other american company, have an honest rate

that's as low as possible. >> last point? >> kentucky. >> we'll always have kentucky. i'm going leetch it there. gentlemen, thank you. up next, the more things change, the more they stay the same. turnover at the white house has been high, but could bit president trump's own family that's the problem? time for a smile. a 2-year-old named guy focused on bringing the friendly skies back. i love this. fist bumping every aisle passenger as he walked to his seat. his mom posted the video after boarding a southwest flight and the video went viral. i like that a lot more than the dad who got punched in the face at an airport in the south of france. hi, i'm joan lunden with a place for mom

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bloomberg that the couple's walk-in privileges are unlikely to be taken away under kelly. all this as politico reports that ivanka and jared are trying to lower expectations on how much sway they have over trump' sway they have on trump's decisions. along with my panel steve and rick tyler. where does this new shakeup leave jared and ivanka. they are standing alongside general kelly putting out this narrative how offended they were about anthony scaramucci's word choices although she is silent when a barrage of offensive word choices had been used by her father for years and she brought anthony in. mr. scaramucci. >> it's certainly true that jared kushner, we know, was one of the -- very supportive of bringing anthony scaramucci in. i think it's slightly different. anthony scaramucci in a very public way went out and made

these vulgar and lewd comments in his capacity as a representative of the white house that's slightly different from what the president has done in the past. but, you know, jared and ivanka wanted reince priebus out. i think there was a desire on their part for somebody more competent and for somebody who was capable of bringing a little bit more order to the white house. what that will mean for the two of them and their sway on the president and their access to the president, i don't think we know quite yet. right now they're happy to report to general kelly. i think we'll have to see what happens the rest of the week over the next few weeks and over the next couple of months. it's not clear right now how the two of them are going to be affected. >> is it going to change how ivanka trump has to serve the president? until now, i've spoken to people in the white house who said she's never shown up to a morning meeting. does that change under general kelly? >> i don't think we know right now quite yet. as we've seen this from this

white house in the past what they say tend to be different than what actually transpires behind closed doors. i think we'll need to see how this plays out. general kelly had one day on the job and i do think we're going have to have to take a wait and see approach as to how ivanka trump and her husband actually behave under the new reporting structure. and all the other aides in the white house for that matter. >> rick, people are asking the question is it wise for general kelly to allow ivanka and jared to keep their walk-in. president trump in meetings in the white house refers to his daughter, ivanaka as baby. he sends her to sit next to people like angela merkel and considers his daughter, ivanka, without any foreign policy or government experience to be a peer to the likes of angela merkel and insisted at the g20 that ivanka sit in his place when his own advisors said, no,

sir, i don't think it's a good idea. >> yeah. look, family is always complicated and we have a situation where now we have family that is acting as advisors. that hasn't happened since andrew jackson stepped out of the white house. andrew, both the jared kushner and ivanka trump have to decide whether they're a positive thing for their father or negative thing. they may argue that they're a positive influence on their father, but i don't know whether that's demonstratable and we can show results that they're not a moderating force and now they're saying don't expect this to be a moderating force. what purpose do they serve in the white house? i don't know. it doesn't strike me that they are qualified to be in the position and in the responsibilities they've been given. you see the photo-ops all the time and they're walking together, smiling. they don't say a whole lot. it's kind of strange.

>> steve, no example of ivanka trump or jared being a moderating force to the president. we don't know how far the wheels come off inside the white house. last week alone the president coming out of no where in regard to the transgender ban in the military. when ivanka trump a month ago we stand tall and steals his own credibility and makes a fool of her. talks about the gop making fools of themselves. >> there's an example where he had nuthing to do with her advice. found out on twitter like the rest of the world did. here's the issue. let's say kelly is the new chief of staff is able to impose the kind of discipline we're talking about on the entire white house team, including ivanka trump. let's say officially. treating him as her superior in that chain of command. here's the issue. then it reverts back to what we had in the past with other

families. think of the reagan white house in the 1980s. nancy reagan was not in any meetings or any policy role and not running health care -- >> that's why people disliked hillary clinton. at the end of the work day, ronald reagan went and talked in the private quarters of the white house and nancy reagan exerted tremendous influence on that administration's direction and it drove the people on the official white house staff nuts. don regan who was the chief of staff had this basically open war with nancy reagan because nancy reagan was saying after hours. so, even if you establish that chain of command, when the work day is over, ivanka is still talking to her father. >> i love when steve talks about reagan. >> we have to leave it there. my question is going to be, come the fall, when the budget gets looked at, ivanka wants the paid parental leave that is center in her focus. $25 million in the budget for it. is the appropriation committee going to say, yes, let's put

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right now more news from hallie jackson. >> start of a new month and starting with new details on an old meeting and yet another self-inflicted wound from president trump reportedly orchestrating that original misleading statement on the 2016 talks between don jr. and a russian lawyer. not illegal but not helpful to this administration. we'll explain why. part of it is the effect on the president's priorities with health care debt, even as he tries to revive it and the senate tries to move on with one republican encouraging the president to take matters into his own hands. then another gop senator raising a red flag saying his party is in denial about donald trump. what else he is saying and why it may trigger a tweet or two from the president himself. our team is here with all of it covered on yet another busy news day in washington. kristen, let's start with this report that the president was actually behind, according to the "washington post" that original statement about the meeting in